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Part B – Green Infrastructure Influencers

ABOUT THE INTERVIEWS WITH GREEN INFRASTRUCTURE INFLUENCERS IN METRO VANCOUVER REGION: “It is the Gen X who are most likely to now possess the knowledge but are overwhelmed by the Gen Y generation who do not have this knowledge,” stated Robert Hicks, career engineer-planner in the Metro Vancouver region


“An underlying issue for local government is knowledge-transfer. The baby boomers have more or less retired and now you are left with Gen X. But many Boomers continued in senior positions late into their careers, interrupting the chain of succession and knowledge transfer. What we are really saying is that, in the work force, a huge amount of experience has just gone out the door and very quickly. Solutions to complex problems require deep knowledge. The challenge facing local governments is the breakdown in the transfer of knowledge,” stated Robert Hicks.

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ABOUT THE INTERVIEWS WITH GREEN INFRASTRUCTURE INFLUENCERS IN METRO VANCOUVER REGION: “Storytelling is as much of a lever for action as anything technical that we as practitioners learn,” stated Ray Fung, a past-chair of the Green Infrastructure Partnership


“Stories open our minds to considering various viewpoints. Sharing of stories leads to reconciliation and building relationships, respect and trust,” stated Ray Fung. The stories for 13 green infrastructure influencers in the Metro Vancouver region provide context and a frame of reference for understanding as well as judging green infrastructure progress by Metro Vancouver municipalities over the past quarter-century. The stories behind the stories of the influencers set the stage for successive legs of the green infrastructure journey from 1997 to 2024.

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ABOUT THE INTERVIEWS WITH GREEN INFRASTRUCTURE INFLUENCERS IN METRO VANCOUVER REGION: “We saw rainwater management as something positive. We could grab onto and run with it,” stated Darrell Mussatto, former Mayor of North Vancouver City, and longtime Chair of Metro Vancouver Utilities Committee


“You get elected and you start to learn. And you become inspired by what you see happening. I remember when the Fish Protection Act passed in 1997. It was a real eye opener for me because it meant a 180-degree change from what I had been thinking. This experience was my context when I served on and later chaired the Metro Vancouver Utilities Committee a decade later. When the region embarked on the first update to the LWMP in 2008, I found it extremely rewarding to be working with people that wanted to do things differently,” stated Darrell Mussatto.

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ABOUT THE INTERVIEWS WITH GREEN INFRASTRUCTURE INFLUENCERS IN METRO VANCOUVER REGION: “With the Fergus plan, we were at a point where we could integrate engineering, planning, biology, geomorphology and recreation to influence the greening of the built environment,” stated Rémi Dubé, a former manager of drainage planning with the City of Surrey


“Surrey’s Development Cost Charges Bylaw (2019) for the Biodiversity Conservation Strategy did not happen overnight. The framework came out of the Fergus Creek watershed plan and the vision for green solutions many years before in 2006.Fergus was the first of the new generation of ISMPs. Our goal was to avoid a cookie-cutter approach that too often is an outcome of this type of multi-year program. Jim Dumont rose to the innovation challenge by developing a watershed plan that would actually facilitate changes in how land is developed or re-developed,” stated Rémi Dubé.

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ABOUT THE INTERVIEWS WITH GREEN INFRASTRUCTURE INFLUENCERS IN METRO VANCOUVER REGION: What went wrong with the stream systems component after Environment Minister Terry Lakes approved the Metro Vancouver region’s Integrated Liquid Waste and Resource Management Plan in 2011?


“Metro Vancouver and member municipalities are encouraged to consider how the degree, type and location of land development affects watershed health,” wrote Environment Minister Terry Lake in his letter that formally approved the regional plan. Failure to follow through and build on work done up to 2011 to deal with requirements in his ministerial approval is an unintended outcome. Failure to follow through reflected scant understanding of a stream system context. Land development pressures pushed local governments to pay lip-service to the role of the streamside protection zone.

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ABOUT THE INTERVIEWS WITH GREEN INFRASTRUCTURE INFLUENCERS IN METRO VANCOUVER REGION: “There are leaders and there are those who lead. Leaders hold a position of power or influence. Those who lead inspire us,” stated Simon Sinek, author of ‘Start with Why’


When read together, the set of 13 stories about green infrastructure influencers in Metro Vancouver paint a picture of what it takes to innovate and lead changes in practice in the local government setting. Simon Sinek’s “Start With Why” is a concept that states that to inspire action, you must begin with why you do what you do, before explaining how you do it and what you do. This is based on the belief that purpose, cause, and belief (the “why”) are the most powerful motivators, inspiring loyalty and action in a way that focusing on products or services (the “what”) alone cannot.

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GREEN INFRASTRUCTURE INFLUENCER 1: “Look at all the really important science that we were able to produce. There is a lot to be proud of in terms of all that material that we produced for the region, the network and the country,” stated Richard Boase, career environmental champion within local government in British Columbia


“When I look back at our history, I think wow, how did we do so much applied research. We had a need and Hans Schreier had grad students who were interested in doing the research. Win-win,” stated Richard Boase. “At a critical moment, members of the Partnership team would have an idea around a research theme that supported our hypotheses. And as often happened, I was the arm that had the energy and willingness to take on the research, apply new science in North Vancouver, and get the work done.”

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GREEN INFRASTRUCTURE INFLUENCER 2: “The loss of understanding among elected representatives at the regional scale is real,” stated Darrell Mussatto, former mayor of North Vancouver City


“There has been a recent loss of long-term knowledge and experience because people who were providing regional leadership, and trying hard to make a difference, have retired from public office. The loss of understanding is real,” stated Darrell Mussatto. He served on North Vancouver City Council for 25 years, including 13 years as mayor. His time in office coincides with the timeline for the early adopter and leading by example phases of the Metro Vancouver region’s green infrastructure journey. He views the journey through both the local and regional lenses.

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GREEN INFRASTRUCTURE INFLUENCER 3: Without Paul Ham’s quiet and unassuming leadership behind the scenes, would the green infrastructure movement in British Columbia have successfully launched a generation ago?


Paul Ham spent 34 years with the City of Surrey, retiring as General Manager of Engineering. Without Paul Ham’s quiet and unassuming leadership behind the scenes, would the green infrastructure movement in British Columbia have successfully launched a generation ago? Somebody had to go first and establish the landmark precedent. That is what Surrey did with the East Clayton Sustainable Community. Green infrastructure at a community scale! It all started with East Clayton.

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GREEN INFRASTRUCTURE INFLUENCER 4: “Integration is the KEY MESSAGE – integration with the ecosystem, recreation, land use, and community groups. Use effective green infrastructure, lighten the ‘water footprint’, and protect stream health,” stated Carrie Baron, former Drainage Manager with the City of Surrey


Carrie Baron has always been a trailblazer. She could always be counted upon to lend her credibility to a good idea. Her efforts helped get multiple regional, intergovernmental, and inter-regional initiatives off the ground. three words define Carrie Baron’s engineering career: leadership, innovation and science. “We were lucky that we had the framework and the people in place at Surrey. We worked hard to get environment and drainage and notions of sustainability embedded over time, whether it was in stormwater bylaws or the Sustainability Charter,” stated Carrie Baron.

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